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When the choice seems to be to tear down the church or build a wall around it, we aim to walk the narrow road of nuance through the wilderness between the warring factions and try to figure out what it means to love God and people well.
When the choice seems to be to tear down the church or build a wall around it, we aim to walk the narrow road of nuance through the wilderness between the warring factions and try to figure out what it means to love God and people well.
Episodes

7 hours ago
7 hours ago
50 min
Technology is constantly shaping us, whether we know it or not. Marketing messages, social media, television, and now AI are all constantly competing not just for out attention, but for our hearts and minds. Are we aware of how much of our faith is being co-opted by technology and those who stand to profit off of it?
We know what you might be thinking - "Here's another half hour of self-righteous tech-bashing from a couple of theobros." But as always, we try to land on the narrow road of wisdom, rather than the ditches on either side. Did we manage it? Hopefully! But if nothing else, maybe it will get you thinking (and praying).
7 hours ago
50 min

Aug 9, 2026
Aug 9, 2026
45 min
Ever heard something that immediately made your internal check-engine light come on? We unpack a comment about “coming as you are” that hit one of us the wrong way. Somehow, that led us into a conversation about sanctification, Sunday’s best, and why we don’t always hear things the same way after God starts changing us.
On this episode we talk culture, raising young people to follow Jesus, and the tools God gives us to discern what’s worth pushing back on and what might be exposing something in us. Turns out, sometimes the spark plug isn’t the problem, it’s the engine.
Aug 9, 2026
45 min

Apr 26, 2026
Apr 26, 2026
46 min
Sometimes, we look in the wrong places for our identity - celebrities, pastors, teachers, theologians, musicians, when we should be defining ourselves how Christ does. We talk through what it looks like to live out our identity faithfully, and whether Kevin Hart has anything to say about it.
Apr 26, 2026
46 min

Feb 8, 2026
Action! (It's 2026, Y'all.)
Feb 8, 2026
Feb 8, 2026
35 min
As has been our custom for a while now, we start the new year by contemplating the year we just wrapped up. What do we have to say? Can we still contribute to the cultural conversation about faith in a meaningful way?
Feb 8, 2026
35 min

Jan 19, 2026
Beyond the Noise
Jan 19, 2026
Jan 19, 2026
1 hr 4 min
This episode almost didn't make it. Why? Well, sometimes things don't quite happen like you hope they will. This episode was recorded and edited in October and then somehow wiped from existence(that may or may not be my fault-Ryan). But... we thankfully record back up audio.
On this episode we talk about Charlie Kirk and the incident that sparked what many are calling a unique moment. Though delayed, we discuss the public reaction, our reactions, and what this means for followers of Christ.
Jan 19, 2026
1 hr 4 min

Jul 11, 2025
Do I Have To Like Church To Love Jesus?
Jul 11, 2025
Jul 11, 2025
48 min
You've probably heard this verse quoted - "Do not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing." And if you've been a Christian for any amount of time, you've probably encountered something about church that you didn't like, or even deeply hurt or grieved you.
We're commanded to continue to participate in church, but how do we navigate the all too often messy and difficult people that are a part of it? And for that matter, what does "church" even mean?
In this episode, we try to get to clarity on what it means for the body of Christ to gather, and what God was really wanting the church to be to begin with.
Jul 11, 2025
48 min

Jun 27, 2025
Jun 27, 2025
59 min
As we wrap up our Beatitudes series, we wrestle with what it really means to be blessed when persecuted and reviled. This radical statement from Jesus stands in stark contrast to the comfort-driven values of the world — and especially of modern America.
In this episode, we unpack how the American church has often redefined “persecution,” and why that matters. Is discomfort the same as persecution? Are we missing something deeper that Jesus was calling us to? Join us as we explore what faithful and joyful endurance looks like in a world that doesn’t always understand the way of the Kingdom.
Jun 27, 2025
59 min

Jun 21, 2025
"What if I Stumble?" - Michael Tait
Jun 21, 2025
Jun 21, 2025
32 min
"The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips then walk out the door and deny him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."
-Brennan Manning
On this episode, we wrestle with the recent news around Michael Tait, a voice that shaped the soundtrack of modern Christian faith for decades. What does his fall mean for the Christian music industry, for the Church, and for the rest of us who grew up singing along? We reflect on the dangers of platform without accountability, the pain of misplaced trust, and why our faith can't be built of the voices behind the microphone.
Jun 21, 2025
32 min

Jun 13, 2025
Just The Essentials
Jun 13, 2025
Jun 13, 2025
43 min
If you've been A Christian - or at least a church-goer - for any amount of time, you've likely heard some variation of the phrase "As long as we agree on the essentials..." But what happens when we can't agree on what the essentials are?
In this episode we explore our tribalistic religious tendencies, and ponder what it means to disagree in love and with humility.
Jun 13, 2025
43 min

Apr 23, 2025
"He Restoreth My Soul"
Apr 23, 2025
Apr 23, 2025
36 min
We live in a crazy world. Everyday demands and the "daily grind" can feel like a lot sometimes. Often we may steal a few moments to "zone out" and resort to mindless scrolling or doing nothing at all to get that well deserved rest... BUT, what if that really isn't rest at all?
On this episode we discuss the idea that while zoning out might offer temporary escape, it doesn't offer true rest or renewal. True rest - deep, soul-level restoration - comes from God alone and often looks more active and intentional that we might expect.
Apr 23, 2025
36 min



